Imagining The Tenth Dimension – flash animation
Wow. Wow. Wow. Oh My God. Whoa…. WHOA!
This animation was one of the most mind-blowingly incredible things I have ever seen in my life. I am going to watch it again very soon now. I’m not religious, or even that spiritual — but watching this video could be described as the closest thing to a religious experience that I have ever had..
I mean, by the end of watching this, you can actually understand the following sentence:
In String theory, physicists tell us that Superstrings vibrating in the tenth dimension are what create the subatomic particles which make up our universe, and all of the other possible universes as well. In other words, all possibilities are contained within the tenth dimension, which would appear to be the concept we have just built for ourselves as we imagined the ten dimensions, built one upon another.
They also have a text-version, which is handy for referencing back after watching the animation (easier random access).
Also, I think I am finally convinced that time may really be the 4th dimension, although to me a spatial dimension is something you should be able to move 2 directions in. But the Moebius Strip analogy really serves to explain why you can only perceive going one direction in the 4th dimension. I think there still might be “extra spatial dimensions” between the 3rd dimension, and what this animation calls the 4th dimension. But I might just be full of crap. :)
But either way… Once you get past the spatial dimensions, it seems that there are only 7 additional dimensions (giving a total of 10). There is nothing past the 10th dimension.
Can anyone think of anything 11-dimensional? Please?
Claire's blog 
August 24, 2006 at 2:39 PM
Well, an aquaintence of mine took umbrage that I sent this link out via email, and responded with this:
“First this is direct plagiarism from the sub par book flatland. Second string theory is a horibly mathematically flawed theory or several reasons, the extra dimensions are added primarily to fix these flaws. As a theory attempting to unify fields it fails. The 22 dimension matrices fixes some of the problems with the 10 dimension but create whole new problems of it’s own. Worse there are 2 atributes that apply to all string theories 1 the lack of any way to apply or test them in anything but a theoretical framework and worst 2 a complete lack of elegance in their ham handed aproaches.
If you want a book to adjust your thinking try
http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/2640695/used/Godel,%20Escher,%20Bach:%20An%20Eternal%20Golden%20Braid
Now that is an excelent book.”
Nice spelling errors. If I cpelt that bad, I’d probably use gmail’s built-in spell check feature (this person was using gmail). But anyway, my response was:
“I’m not going to read a book! Why do you think I’m watching 10-minute flash videos? You think I have time to read books? I barely get time to play video games.
“exploring the patterns and symbols in the thinking of mathematician Kurt Godel, artist M.C. Escher, and composer Johann Sebastian Bach” … They don’t know. You don’t know. I don’t know. Nobody knows. It’s silly to argue unless you are a physicist arguing with another physicist.
The flash animation was cool as shit and my post on my blog about it is one of my most popular posts this week because, surprise, everyone thinks it’s pretty cool.
>First this is direct plagiarism from the sub par book flatland.
No. I have actually read both Flatland and Sphereland (or whatever the 2nd one was called — both of them are practically the exact same book). They do not really go anywhere beyond the 4th dimension. This animation goes to 10. That’s 60% new dimensions, baby. That’s not direct plagairism; that’s not even plagiarism period. Nobody owns the ideas of dimensions. Plagiarism is taking a direct quote. If you paraphrase it, it’s not plagiarism. Explaining an idea is not automatically plagiarism of someone else who explained the same idea, or else every science book would be a plagiarism.
>Second string theory is a horibly >mathematically flawed theory or several >reasons, the extra dimensions are added >primarily to fix these flaws. As a theory >attempting to unify fields it fails.
Considering there is no unified theory … that makes it no worse than any other with respect to what you just said.
>The 22 dimension matrices fixes some of
>the problems with the 10 dimension but
>create whole new problems of it’s own.
I’m not sure where these extra 12 dimensions you talk about came from. They were not talked about in the video. If you have a link to something brief explaining that I would be very interested.
>Worse there are 2 atributes that
>apply to all string theories 1 the
>lack of any way to apply or test
>them in anything but a theoretical
>framework
That’s pretty much going to be the case for every theory explaining Life, The Universe, and Everything. That’s not really special. Show me a unified theory that can be tested.
It’s like proving God doesn’t exist. You can’t. (disclaimer: I’m agnostic)
>If you want a book to adjust your thinking try:
>(link to book was above)
>Now that is an excelent book.
See 1st paragraph… I couldn’t imagine something more boring than reading long books about mathematicians. I like fiction, I like video.”
So, anyway… I’ll be curious if he ever comes back with an explanation for 22 dimensions.
Of course, my original point of the post was that was the flash animation was cool, and allows you to visualize concepts you would not normally be able to visualize. He seemed to take issue that these concepts were wrong, but did not supply a helpful animation supporting his viewpoint.
If there are opposing views, I invite people who actually know to make more flash animations explaining them in a similar way to Visualizing The Tenth Dimension. I’d be interested in seeing them.
But not reading a long book about them.
August 29, 2006 at 10:23 PM
I think it’s a little silly to take issue with his spelling. There are two different issues here:
1) dimensions – the animation does an excellent job of explaining how you get from one dimension to another. “what’s outside of that? and how would you connect it? and what’s outside of that?” etc.
2) string theory. not even mentioned until the very end of the animation, and not at all explained even then.
The animation did an excellent job of explaining dimensions beyond the three we see every day, but fails to explain how that really relates to string theory. So far as plagarism–it only took a good idea and reused it to explain what a 2 dimensional creature would see of the 3 dimensional world. By the same token, it used an example right out of Back to the Future in explaining time travel to cause the conditions necessary to get to a rich and successful future self that isn’t a possibility for you now: Biff Enterprises or some such, wasn’t it called?
If you want to watch a video that *actually* explains string theory itself, hop on over to:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=elegant+universe
and you should see them at the top.
It’s a mini-series they had on Nova called “The Elegant Universe” which the official website says was three parts (an hour each, looks like). Official website:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/
I personally think it’s a lot of hooey. I mean, they’ve got different theories and don’t know how to reconcile them. You know how if you start raising things to larger and larger powers in math, you can end up finding an equation that’ll connect any number of dots? That’s what string theory seems like to me. A connect-the-dots theory–every time they realize “I can’t do it in this dimension” they bump it up a notch. But what do I know.
Oh, and there are eleven dimensions now, not ten, for those taking notes. See the Elegant Universe videos (there are also transcripts on the official website, if you can do without the pretties).
August 29, 2006 at 10:26 PM
To clarify: They specifically refer to “the eleventh dimension” in the TV programs. I realize that the animation you linked to started at 0 and zero through ten makes eleven dimensions. At no point do I recall them saying what the eleventh supposedly was.
August 30, 2006 at 9:25 AM
Hmmm… there seem to be several different “episodes”, and that totals hours of video. If only I had the attention span! :)
That’s part of why I liked the original — it did it in such a short period of time.
Still though — this google video is very interesting. Thanks!!
October 4, 2006 at 3:12 PM
My only question is: If time is the fourth dimension then how is the eleventh dimension the tenth plus time? Wouldn’t that be counting time as two seperate dimensions? The 4th and the 11th? And if there is a seperate time (which I am sure someone will try to explain it this way) then why are there several different times that occur at regular intervals in respect to the pattern of “dots”, “lines”, “folds”, etc.?
While the video made sense, you have to remember that flawed logic also seems to make sense until you KNOW otherwise, which is impossible because there is no way to test the theory.
To me the entire thing seems to be custom built to encompass everything. If you think about it, does it really make sense that everything is made of vibrating strings? Whether these are sub-sub-subatomic particles (pardon the triple-prefix) or not makes no difference, subatomic particles that we KNOW of are sensibly shaped and behave sensibly. Vibrating strings just do not make sense…at least not to me.
P.S. Nice smiley at the bottom there.
October 4, 2006 at 3:19 PM
Scott Dennis, thanks for your comments. “Time” is a manmade notion of ordering events. The whole point of the animation was that time is just another direction. It’s not any different than the 1st 3 dimensions. If you had enough dimensions, you would look at a human being, and see a baby connected to a child connected to a teenager connected to an adult connected to an old man — you would be “outside” of the timeline, able to look at it in a spatial sense.
The 11th dimension is not 10th plus time. The 10th is the end. There is nothing past the 10th. The 10th encompasses all possible events in all alternate timestreams in all possible universes using all possible physical laws (speed of light, gravitational constant, etc). At least, according to the 10-minute animation, that is the case.
There is not a separate time. Not according to the school of thought in this animation.
Vibrating strings make about as much sense as anything. Need an infinite energy machine? Just vibrate a 10th dimensional superstring just enough to create an pocket inside your existing universe where the timestream deviates to an alternate reality where there happens to be a nuclear exposion contained in a 12-inch cube. Harnass energy. Profit. :D
November 30, 2006 at 9:05 PM
Hey Clint — I just stumbled on this blog entirely by accident and got my mind bent. I haven’t really had a chance to absorb this yet, but I want to thank you for (randomly) bringing it to my attention. Very intriguing stuff.
December 1, 2006 at 9:16 AM
Well, it wasn’t mine, but apparantly my blog is giving them a lot of links, because this posting is just about my most popular legitimate posting….. :) glad you enjoyed.
December 18, 2006 at 8:05 PM
Dimensions
Perception of what is real. Hold on to a tree man, that’s is real….
Feel the bark of a giant sequoia 12” thick 50 ft diameter and 300 feet tall.
We are on the surface of this world are travelling at about 1000 miles an hour with the rotation of the earth. We are standing on solid ground yet 6 miles below us liquid molten mass of magna at incredible temperature. The world is travelling around the sun in an orbit and travelling at 15,000 miles an hour. There will never be a fixed point in space…. Through the atmosphere above our heads say a distance of 8 miles one enters the universe that extends for ever there is no limit in terms of distance.
So here we are on this thin crust travelling at silly speed in all directions through space and time one slight miss-hap and……fuck. You talk about the eleventh dimension. We have six senses of perception that equates to 279,936 of perception of the dimensions we perceive. There are no limitations only those that we impose upon ourselves. I love all of you.
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December 19, 2006 at 2:00 PM
I’d like to see a tree that is twelve inches thick, but fifty feet in diameter. I think that would require AT LEAST one extra dimension :)
I love you too.
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January 2, 2007 at 8:04 PM
This is a good clip for simply explaining a complicated idea(or so says my Step dad). I dont know if this is a correct idea or how to prove/disprove it but after watching this clip a few times i understood pretty much everything that the speaker was talking about. I agree with insignis though, he doesn’t do a good job on explaining string theory. This clip got my interest though. I might read some more about this somewhere else.
January 5, 2007 at 11:06 PM
For the benefit of Clint, I would just like to correct my former statement where I omitted to say that the bark of the giant sequoia is at least 12″ thick and the trunk diameter in the region of 50ft height rising to about 300 feet and can be found in the Mariposa Grove Yosemite National Park in California USA.
On the question of topical points of interest concerning the physical world around us, I would really like recommend Victor Schauberger’s work concerning vortexes and centripetal compaction and other highly topical matters. It seems to me that the concept of dimensions is irrelevant when set against the prime objective to expand our powers of perception.
February 7, 2007 at 3:23 PM
A: Consider that we’re 4-D organisms. That is, our perceptions allow us to sense the “4 dimesnions” we candidly call space-time. Consider further that we have 3 dimensions of direct freedom. See the 1-D perception/freedom differential? Coincidence?
B: To get past 10, you have to start adding new universal constants. (where as to get there, in explanation, we screwed around with the existing constants) For instance… conjuring up a contstant that relates speed of travel in higher dimensions of a body to tidal forces in related dimesnions. Invent some new exotic quantum particle exists only at 10+. Or(even more fun) go for the superset and suppose that there exists a vector perpendicular to all edges of a cube. (this would give us 4 dimensions of freedom, with the 5th as time, etc)
C: Consider the 3-4 D bridge, the space-time bridge. In actuality, this bridge is more like an elastic tube. High speed and high strain that sit or travel in 3-d space warp constants of movement in 4-D space. (The astronaut dilemma) The tube can sag, jiggle, bounce, and yes, break.
D: This warp can be said to be caused by localized areas of high/unusual density. (this occurs at the quantum level all the time) Consider that for a moment. How much energy? Accelerating a 1kg mass to .97c over three days would take about 1.5x 10 ^ 15 joules of energy, constantly. That’s 32.5 Gigatons of TNT. That’s one and a half thousand Nagasaki’s. Things get screwy when they go relativistic. I call this the “energy barrier.”
E. Simply put, there is no 2-D life. Its just not there. The universe is set up capped at the 3-4 D bridge, in part because of the energy barrier. No time travel, no passing beams of light, no cheating around it. Conventional spacial beings(that’s us), are more than happy to evolve as close to that barrier as we can.
F. Let’s extrapolate this a bit more. As obvious from the animation, each dimensional tier has certain… similarities. So, it’s one more step to see energy barriers at 6-7 and 9-10. This corresponds to stable upper dimensions at 6 and 9. With super-spacial life.
G. To these super-spacials, we’d look like 0-D and -3-D beings. Less than ants. So much less than, in fact, they probably recognize us as atom-like, if they notice us at all. Weird huh?
Finally, as even the most die hard string-theorists think I’m a bit out-of-it by now, none of this is provable in the least. Not now, at least. It’s just a fun excercise.
(oh, but look out for multi-vector super-near-colliders, with temporal flux monitoring. That’s how the pliability of that rubber bridge will get tested eventually… it’s throwing a fistful of gravel into a still pond to track the light the ripples make…)
February 7, 2007 at 4:02 PM
… Wow.
May 13, 2007 at 6:57 PM
When I was a child we read in school a book about a sister and brother whose parents were scientists and very brilliant. Somehow through a series of events the kids ended up on another planet. It turned out that the planet was run by a brain and their parents had been taken captive and somehow they rescue them etc. etc. What was fascinating to me as a 4th grader was how they got the planet. They actually folded through the fourth dimension into the fifth dimension. Because it is one thing to travel at the speed of light but it is whole other thing to be able to step from your place and time right into another place and time instantaneously. To this day I have been trying to remember what the book was called so I could get it and read it again. If anyone knows what I am talking about please let me know.
I watched a movie this weekend that reminded me of the book and sent me on a quest to find out more thus finding this blog. The is Deja Vu. In the movie they actually bend time so that they are watching instantaneously the an even that happened 4 days and 6 hours ago.
To clarify some things said earlier about how many dimensions there are there are as many as you want. It’s a theory. If you google around you can find 3, 4, 10, 11, 22 as all possible theories. There is no standard on the theory either just like evolution. The biologist have a theory that is different than the geothermal theories which i different from marine biologist which is different from physicists from any other ology of science. The idea that it happened is there but how and why etc. etc. is all different.
The mentioning of the string theory in this video was a little odd. The video lays out the 10 dimensions well and then at the end throws out the idea that in the 10th dimension is the stings that are the true mover and shakers of all life as we know it and all other possibilities. Saying the statement inevitable creates an 11th dimension because there are multiple entities (if you will) that have a location in the 10th dimensions and I would assume they would also have height, depth, and width to them and space/time between them. Therefore this would mean that there are either beings, substances (whatever you want to call it) either beyond dimensions all together or they themselves in fact create another dimension.
Now working from the framework provided (not necessarily giving credence to or against just throwing out ideas) this leaves us with a couple of possibilities.
1) If these strings are outside of dimensions then they are entities in and of themselves with no past or future only the ever present now and have no space to them therefore are everywhere at once. In this case you couldn’t have multiplicity (that would assume space and time) you would actually have singularity. You would have one essence or being with one mind that could contain the potential if not the actuality of all possibilities of all universes of all time lines, all the way down to the dot on the page. Now that blows my mind and goes back to the original poster’s comment, “I’m not religious, or even that spiritual — but watching this video could be described as the closest thing to a religious experience that I have ever had.” Now I happen to believe in God so this was as much of a religious experience of me as wow that pretty cool what science keeps coming up with.
2) If indeed there were these strings that lived (if you will) in this 10th dimension that were in a way the essence of life as we know it we are assuming multiplicity of beings. This means that one string has a location. It has length/height. It has depth. There is space between it and the other strings. These strings have space between them and the dot of all possibilities (the 10th dimension) meaning their is a time factor. If this is the case then we have an 11th dimension. If we have an 11th dimension why not a 12th or 13 or 14 etc. As long as you come to a point where there are things with bodies and spacial/time interactions you create a whole new world of time lines and possibilities and therefore have created an infinite amount of dimensions. I am not sure if that is possible. It might be but possibility is a potential. Potential is something stored. If it is potential energy might be the energy of a rock at the top of a mountain. It hasn’t fallen yet but in the right circumstances the gravity and the weight of the rock could case it roll down the mountain becoming kinetic energy. A possibility could also be potential ideas (such as theories like the one we are discussing). Ideas are stored in minds. Not just a brain. An organ such as a brain is piece of tissue. A dead persons brain doesn’t store anything besides potential food for the worms. If the universe has infiniteness to it there is a mind that contains all of possibilities, all its potential ideas, if you will. I don’t see it any other way that no matter what the theory is (except for a static universe which the Big Bang grossly disproved) there has to be a mind/being beyond all dimensions that is in all the past and future. Is in the ever now with no spatial limitations without needing to cross over into any other plane because the being is already there and has been and will be (coming from our perspective anyway).
Sorry for the paper…it was really fun to write though.
May 14, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Wow. That WAS a lengthy comment!
I think the only leap I don’t necessarily agree with is that the strings necessarily have to have a “length, width and height” within the 10th dimension (Therefor giving leeway to at least 2 additional dimensions).
Just because they used the word “string” to describe them, doesn’t necessarily mean they actually have a length in the 10th dimension. A 10th dimension string could be exactly what the flash animation depicts – a single DOT in the 10th dimension, which is a “string” to the FIRST 9 dimensions…
May 14, 2007 at 10:25 PM
no I think you have that backwards. The lower dimensions look flatter to the higher dimensions. The first 9 dimensions look like a dot to the 10 dimension. We as 3-D creatures can see 2-D and one 1-D but we cannot see 4-D and beyond. The 10th dimension creature sees and moves through all dimensions. Really you couldn’t even have a dot in the 10th dimension because that dot would contain everything. What is outside of everything. Nothing. Therefore the 10th dimension is everything and there is no point otherwise you would have to have something else to reference it too. Well I guess in this case it would be the strings. The strings are another reference outside of everything that allow everything to be just a dot (i.e. a location or reference point with no other dimension).
May 14, 2007 at 10:27 PM
well no other dimension is relative to the perception of the strings who are in the highest dimension.
May 14, 2007 at 10:43 PM
@#25: Hmm, that is a bit compelling when you re-state it like that. Interesting indeed.
July 13, 2007 at 9:15 AM
Wow, Clint, I just stumbled across this blog entry mentioning my Imagining the Tenth Dimension project. Thank you for your kind thoughts! I would also like to say hi to James, who like me remembers reading the wonderful book “A Wrinkle in Time” by Madeline L’Engle as a child.
Reading through the comments here, I’d add the following responses – why did I even mention string theory at the end of the animation, when my way of imagining reality isn’t really about string theory? Well, I was reading “Hyperspace”, Michio Kaku’s book about cosmology and the tenth dimension when I was struck by the concept that became the popular animation you’re talking about here, so I’m sure that was part of it. My visualization stopping at ten and string theory being based on ten seemed too large a coincidence to ignore. But why didn’t I go on to an eleventh dimension then once I discovered that’s what M-Theory proposes? Well, first of all, I did not arbritrarily set out to hit a number when I began my thought experiment. Ten is where I felt I hit the end of the possible dimensions with my way of visualizing. But in any case, M-Theory’s dimensions are 10 spatial plus one of time. Since I’m proposing that the arrow of time is an illusion, and that the fourth dimension as we know it really is a spatial dimension being experienced in a uniquely limited way, I’m sticking by my guns: there are ten spatial dimensions, and that’s all.
In my book I get into these discussions and many others more deeply, but I do so with the same caveat which is on my website, in my forum, and in my blog: I’m not a physicist and I’m not pretending to be one. I came with a powerful way of visualizing multiple dimensions which millions of people have now watched and been fascinated by. This is a work of creative exploration which includes many big ideas, not just physics but memes and philosophy as well, and my animation is the introduction to that discussion.
Thanks again! I wish I had come across this site sooner so I could have joined in the conversation, which I see has been continuing off and on for almost a year now!
Cheers,
Rob Bryanton
July 13, 2007 at 9:18 AM
Hi Rob Bryanton,
Thanks for making the cool-ass animation.
The link to your animation is actually the most popular outgoing link from my blog, and has been for pretty much the whole year. I’ve probably sent 1000+ people your way. So, very nice to hear from you :)
Thanks for the additional explanations!
August 17, 2007 at 10:22 PM
the tenth dimension contains all possible universes and all possible timelines of all possible universes(which are part of each universe). there fore the eleventh dimension must contain something larger than all possible universes. this brings alternate realities(discussed within dimensions 6 and 9) back to light.in order for there to be an eleventh dimension, there must be something that calls a universe what the author of this video calls ‘a flatlander’ is to us. and just as we are oblivious to the movement in the 5th dimension,the universe’s must be oblivious to movement in the 11th dimension,thus explains why we cannot comprehend anything that can be conceived in the 11th dimension.until we are aware of events in the 9th and 10th dimensions, the eleventh dimension is unattainable in any logical way.
August 19, 2007 at 11:49 AM
The concept of dimensions is a man-made metaphor. There is no such thing as a 1 dimensional line, or a 2 dimensional shape. Even a 1D point on a line has a 3D coordinate, relative to an arbitrary axis. Any 2D shape you can make has a thickness, or 3D component… or else you couldn’t find it or see it!
Purely Conceptual.
Maths does not exist – it is a language that can illustrate fact or fiction.
We understand position by using the metaphor of dimensions.
Einstein commented (casually) that time was so important in calculations that it should be considered a 4th dimension… but this does not make it a physical dimension just by saying so. People have jumped on this comment and are trying to invent new and improved dimensions… especially pseudoscientists.
Just because the maths works, does not mean it’s possible, does not make them real… The animation is only conceptually 2D. ;)
Hey, I just invented the Negative 1st Dimension!
September 1, 2007 at 6:15 AM
Well, i’m no scientist, i’m no student, i’m nothing like that at all. but i had my own theories, which resembled the string theory, before i’de EVER HEARD of the string theory!!
so i researched it on the net, and stumbled across this video, which is excellent, but i question a few of its theories also.(not to say i have any answer, because i don’t!)its such an amazing theory though. how many times can one person say theory, anyway?
September 1, 2007 at 6:19 AM
oh, and i completely agree with Zen Li’s comment on maths not existing, i had that theory also. your a clever person Zen Li. everyone i’ve spoken to about the maths thing think i’m mad.
September 1, 2007 at 6:32 AM
my theory of the eleventh dimension, tell me if i’m wrong, is that if ghosts exist, maybe they exist on the eleventh dimension, and sightings of ghosts is them crossing over into the tenth?
September 2, 2007 at 3:26 PM
I think not. Otherwise every ghost would project itself into every possible alternate universe, which would mean a fuckload of ghosts EVERYwhere ALL the time. I’m laughing at the concept, but I think they would probably be somewhere around dimensions 5-7ish.
September 5, 2007 at 4:00 AM
so this is really more about the position of our thoughts. since we can only deal with one concept at a time. what dimension would our “mind” be in?
September 6, 2007 at 6:34 AM
I can’t really get past the 7th. If the seventh consists of a line containing all possible eternities, why do we need any more?
September 6, 2007 at 9:31 AM
Johnn — all possible eternities under *OUR* laws of physicals, *OUR* speed of light, *OUR* gravitational constants, *OUR* quantum mechanics.
But adjust any one of those basic foundations of physics, and you get a new universe with completely new and different possibilities. That’s why you need 3 more dimensions; to freely move between not just alternate universes, but alternate universes with alternate laws of physics.
September 16, 2007 at 12:40 AM
Dude for a being who can move in 4 dimensions what looks like to us as time might be another space, ie for it moving from 2007 to 1987 to 1888 might be as easy as it is for us to move up and down, we just can’t understand it but thats how it could be
October 31, 2007 at 12:05 AM
The 11th deminsion could theoretically exist. The 10th needs a point to travel to. If the 10th is a point of all things that could exist, the point that it would go to would be the point of everything that dosen’t exist (fiction).
October 31, 2007 at 12:09 PM
I think fiction is adequately covered in the 10th dimension, which already includes all possible universes governed under all possible laws of physics — which would include magical kingdoms like Eternia from He-Man :)
November 14, 2007 at 6:35 PM
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November 26, 2007 at 11:04 PM
I was going to say something half way through, but it was answered. I think its great animation though, and explains dimensions really well, though i do agree that dimension are more just ways to help us conceive all these “directions”.
I also agree that theoretically, there could be an 11th dimension, maybe, consisting of a lack of all these “physical laws” that would make up a 10th dimension? I don’t know. its hard for me to think about.
P.s.
I enjoyed ready all these different ideas about dimensions and string theory. It’s really made me think. :P
December 6, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Its so easy to visualize the 5th dimension! Just put two ring magnets on top of each other. Gravity vs Magnetism. Where does the gravitational force to counteract the Magnetism go? String theory’s answer is it ‘leaks’ into the other dimensions.
December 6, 2007 at 12:29 PM
“Dude for a being who can move in 4 dimensions what looks like to us as time might be another space, ie for it moving from 2007 to 1987 to 1888 might be as easy as it is for us to move up and down, we just can’t understand it but thats how it could be”
I just wanted to point out that Feynmans’s Q.E.D. Model: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=35891
“In quantum field theory particles are said to travel backwards in time.”
December 15, 2007 at 6:22 AM
very interesting, but I don’t agree with you
Idetrorce
January 9, 2008 at 6:13 PM
there are actually 11 dimensions, if u including the 0 dimension, but i doubt you will.
The 0 dimension is a dot in case you were wondering.
January 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM
hi
the concpt of ten dimension is not new to all of us, if all of us neglect the string theory and thinking like ,from the begning the
one dimension having only one phase.
two D be represented by two phases like length and breath,…we see the two parts of that object
in
3D we see the 3 part
but what about rest of other.,,,,
we are living in matrix
which is made up of ten phase ,,..ten sides..east,..west,..north,..south,…and other there sub sides ,…if we are co ordinated in the form of matrix which is of ten dim then we are not seen to any one ,,….
which is matrix of us
the examples are ,..we all thinkng ,..our thinking is in ten dimension,…..
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January 30, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Richy, are you sure you aren’t Gene Ray from http://www.TimeCube.com ???
February 24, 2008 at 8:10 PM
I am sorry to dissent, is a just self built pseudo intellectual conversation that goes nowhere and comes from nowhere.
A dimension is something touchable, and expressed for all the objects, 3 dimensions and the fourth: time… If you want to subdivide the north and the south in 55 parts and say that you have 66 dimensions…no, you have 4.
There is no reason for a Matrix being based in 10 strings it can have 2 or 25 and the capability of being seing reminds the athoms and not in dimensions.
So at the end, I am sorry to tell you that if this is your way to experiment religion, you can still say that you are far away from it.
This waste of words is no solution for an non existent problem, proves nothing and sorts nothing practical or unpractical of any kind.
February 24, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Wow, Melissa just seems so incredibly intelligent that I can’t possibly doubt her debunking of the video! [end sarcasm]
February 24, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Melissa, did you even pass third grade math? Your comments make absolutely no sense! How do we get from 55 parts and 66 dimensions to 4 dimensions? No matter how you “subdivide” north/south it would still be 1 dimension. And what the hell does this have to do with religion in the first place?!? This is about science.
@clint:
Dude be be careful, I think her IQ must be at least 160. She could school us. [cough…. cough …. end sarcasm]
March 7, 2008 at 11:47 PM
I think Zen Li has got it. Mathematics or words (such as “dimension”) are nothing more than abstractions we use because they have convenient explanatory power. The big joke is there are really no dimensions.
March 17, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Hey, I saw this video ages ago, and didn’t quite grasp it at the time. This time however I did; and I’ve honestly got to say it’s been because of my recent philosophical trip back into Christianity.
I was trying to understand how in the world people could have free will IF God also knew exactly what we were going to do; because as with quantum physics, his mere action of “knowing” means that we MUST perform said action and don’t actually HAVE a choice.
However, if you say God can see not just one possible timeline, but ALL possible timelines, then it reconciles immediately. For humans there is free will. As far as we see it, we’re on one timeline, making linear decisions. As far as God sees, there is an infinite range of possibilities and we, to him, are making all of these possible decisions at the same time!!
Linking this to the video, that means God is obviously in a higher dimension than we are which makes a lot of sense.
March 20, 2008 at 5:23 PM
wow….that’s insane!!
i just tried to explain it to a friend and i think i killed him from pure boredom…
April 4, 2008 at 6:50 PM
I think some of you guys have spent way to much time sitting in semi circles, or in cars with the windows rolled up! LOL “Bombadiers, have no fears, ain’t shed no tears, What’s weird is! We haven’t met yet. On this or any other plane!” Across the Universe
April 16, 2008 at 3:46 AM
@ kedesign:
wow, thats actually trippy lol. im not a religious person, but if what you say is true, then god isn’t, well, a “god”, all he is is a creature who happens to be in a higher dimension then ourselves. which could also mean that there are more of him/her/it.
April 16, 2008 at 10:27 AM
If there is a god, that’s exactly how I would perceive him/her/it. And therefore, there could be multiples.
July 3, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I think the point was, that if something did exist in the half formed (because it has one point and no line) 10th dimension, then it would be in the whole of all possible universes at the same time. It would only be a single point in the tenth dimension, so al beings in the 10th dimension would be the same thing. There can only be one being in the tenth dimension, so there can be only one God.
July 28, 2008 at 9:06 PM
we live in 3-D along with 5 to 6 senses also
light sound gravity vibrations and the only way to move from the physical plane is to combine all of these to transpose into one then and only then will you be able to move from the physical to the spiritual plane and also move from planet to planet with a strong mental focus one the oneness of are creator. For in him all things are possible.
thank you
August 1, 2008 at 8:32 PM
what are the 10-d’s from one to ten outline it to see what is left or what is missing for we are thinking in a pysical plane
August 1, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Check it out when intelligent life reaches the Omega Point then it will have “gained control of all matter and forces not only in a single universe, but in all universes, whoseexistence is logically possible;life will have spread into all spatial regions in all universeswhich could logically exist, and will have stored an infinite amount of information, including all bits of knowledgewhich it is logically possible to know.” Complete dominance of mind over matter
August 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM
To James: (#23)
The book is called “A Wrinkle in Time” by Madeline L’Engle.
September 7, 2008 at 12:50 PM
11nth dimension everything exists at diferent frequencies
October 5, 2008 at 3:48 PM
THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING IS CLEAR WAVES/ELEMENTS-COMMPOUNDS ( BIOLOGY PSYOLOGY SOCIOLOGY HISTORY GEOMETRY) HYDROGEN UNITS IS THE TIE OF THIS (GAGUT) Gij,j= O in short form.
January 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM
The video bend my mind, really.
All dimensions you covered were based on a common thing that happened to a specific group at the same time (flatlanders, humns…). If we were to find an 11th dimension we would have to find something that happens not to all humans at the same time. Therefore, I think that the 11 dimension is a dream.
January 14, 2009 at 7:18 PM
the 10 dimension is the sound of one love (bob marley)
March 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM
In the end, in the last dimension of existence- there is no time, nor is there motion or anything associated with time. Time is just the product of us seeing “pieces” of the 4th dimension in relation to the other 3 dimensions. In analogy if we were residing in the 5th dimension and were fully conscience of our being there, then the 6th dimension would work as time. Time is just a way for our minds to comprehend the immense amount of information of 4D space as a whole. If you look down the street, you can see a vanishing point and u cant look any further. Same thing with the 4th dimension- its still a spacial dimension, only we see “pieces” of it and thus we call it “time” If we could see the 4th D fully like space, then if u looked down the 4d axis you might see a vanishing point of the future like looking down the street.
April 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM
11 dimensional? the viewpoint of a being. Take the 10th dimension as God’s view of how it is. all inclusive, everything in it. Now take Lucifer’s viewppoint of how he wants it. quite similar but quite different as well. your new point. And also in the M theory… the 2 membranes or whatever that created th “bang”. It fits with scripture. “M” for Maker? Master? interesting that it concludes with 10 dimensions. 10 is the number of Power. (on/off… it either is or isn’t. make any sense I hope?)
December 7, 2009 at 7:30 AM
well… my point of view is.
There could be 2 10th dimensions making the 11th.
One where everything happens and one where totally nothing happens but for nothing to happen there has to be something to happen (wich is our own 10th dimension asfar as we know it so this cant be the 0th dimension)
Or else it would not be nothing.
Because the concept of everything is described in such precision in the 10th dimensions that everything would be possible wich is impossible because
“nothing” would be possible aswell in every so called possible dimension.
So in my view there has to be some sort of.
anti-10th dimension may i say the.. 0th dimension.
Because the 0th dimension isnt nothing. its the start wich doesnt exist, so it is something. Wich would make the 0th dimension the 11th.
Thus creating another loop, where there are infinite universes and infinite possibilities. with infinite dimensions aswell because of the 11th/0th dimension. Wich would loop but instead of looping it would expand since time is already in this as the 4th dimension.
December 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I regret to inform you that nothing is a subset of everything. Not another dimension.
February 4, 2010 at 11:00 AM
well one things is actually wrong here. even though we live in a three dimensional world, there are more than three spatial dimensions the only problem is we are physically unable to see them. the reason for this is because our eyes can only see 2D objects that combine to for 3D. To see a 4D object you would have to learn to see 3D (think xray vision) and then a fourth spatial dimension would become apparant. From there it goes to the fifth and so on.
February 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM
i’m sorry i made a typo here i meant to say that our eyes can only see 2D objects that combine to form 3D objects
July 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM
An excellent point, (ie that we actually only see 2D at a time and must combine two different 2D objects to process the 3rd D.)
By way of extension one could suggest that because we experience time as a series of isolated points, we can only conceive of time as a single dimension going in one direction.
If the many world’s interpretation of quatum physics is correct however, this would an illusion resulting from limited perspective.
Cheers.
July 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM
To extend the thought, if we ever find a way to view time in a 5D fashion (like the 2D perception simple space) we could likely use the “stereoscopic” analogy of 2D viewing 3D to view the 6D.
May 15, 2010 at 9:28 PM
If you can understand this than you can fathom an 11th dimension.
Nothing is everything and everything is nothing.
We are all forms of energy, from positive and negative to light and dark.
Evolution is a web (not a tree) its like mesh. The earth is the 11th dimension (which I thought there was 20 because last night I was saying the earth was the 20th dimension well anyways).
We all spawned from one source of energy so powerful it couldn’t no longer contain it self.
We all came from a single celled organism, every animal every being came from one thing. In the race of humans, which evolved from monkeys. (Example Number 1, how we evolved but at the same time how monkeys co-exist. Evolution is more of a choice than a happening or random occurrence.) Africans being the first race of humans to exist, Caucasians of course last. But as well as that Caucasians came from Africans, which in turn (like Windows DOS and Windows 7) is the newest form and the most correct. Asians are the older form, which is why their characteristics are similar. I’m pretty sure everyone has seen the human evolution time line, which is only one way but no one has ever seen it criss-cross in a sequence like DNA. (I’m trying to create one.)
In reality we are complicated animals, whose complication involves primarily that of coexisting.
Our universe is simple life comes to end to create again. Example number 1, a dead animal can be used as fertilizer, if not, a dead animal can be a host for aerial bacteria waiting to evolve.
As well we are unbalanced, the sun is a ball of fire also a massive form of co-existent energy. Imagine a perfect world that would be a star. Imagine another race well that would be something that doesn’t live like us. Even worse it wouldn’t share the same characteristics as us. Like legs for walking, wings for flying. It could be the other way around and at the same time that would probably be a 5th dimensional reality.
You know how small we are to the universe. Imagine the universe as we know like the galaxies to be cells and bacteria. The planets and the moons to be atoms and nucleus’, and I laugh because we as a race try to find smaller things that exist.
I’m pretty sure that our universe is an atom among millions that form a white blood cell floating in a human body. And we are pointless creatures with a short termed existence worthless enough to explore and get to know.
(And we as a race primarily complain about roaches and insects as pests to be killed.)
Just look around with an open mind half reliant on what you read, and understanding the 11th dimension will be hard but visible. I really thought there was 20 myself and that variable dimensions was from 5 to 11, because the fourth was plasma.
If its too complex sorry, and as well this is field knowledge, and I’m not sure how I can prove it, but I know it is what it is and it has to be what it says it is, because if it wasn’t what point would we have life and death instead of just life forever or death forever.
July 8, 2010 at 3:35 PM
“…Nothing is everything and everything is nothing…”
Sounds like the “nothingness’s necessity” theory by Frank Hatem.
Which is to say his theory is that nothing actually exists, but because this nothing is infinite it is in contradiction with itself, both being “nothing” and “infinite” at the same time.
The result is a streching of nothing to everything, and in between is us, the evolving consciousness of nothing to everything.
Probably a bunch of nonsense, but an interesting thought experiment nonetheless.
http://www.hatem.com/mind.htm
January 21, 2011 at 9:46 PM
It’s inevitable to be involved in debate and argument when you get involved with concepts. Now, whether not the 10th dimension project is guilty of plagiarism I think is just silly. Was Arthur Eddington guilty of plagiarising Einstien? I’m very familiar with Rob Bryanton’s astonishing work. I think the primary benefit of it is the fact that it will force you to think, and to question what you have been taught about reality.
January 23, 2011 at 4:13 AM
“Which is to say his theory is that nothing actually exists” – Hang on a second … What exactly does this mean? Does it mean that no thing exists? We surely have to thoroughly investigate such statements! To accept this statement, we have to make several assumptions. We have to assume that we all understand what is meant by the word “thing”. Depending on your cultural and philosophical background, this could mean several different things. For a Taoist, it would be understood that a “thing” is something within the realm of mind. For someone trained in the western sciences, it means a physical object or event. If I am looking at an apple on my desk, does this mean that the apple and desk are merely thought patterns and therefore illusory? Or could we consider them to be electromagnetic wave patterns or clusters of discrete quanta in the form of a probability haze? This kind of language is on very shaky ground, because we in the west do not have that sense of inner knowing that has been a long tradition in the east. However, we like to throw words around and hope they will have some kind of effect. I think Rob Bryanton is on to something extremely profound, something which goes far beyond the scope of his theoretical explorations and digs deep into the subconscious and stretches your mind. I feel like we are being spoon-fed material like this in order to help us evolve. The tenth dimension project may be acting like a signpost, pointing us toward much greater consciousness about the vastness of being and the cosmos in which we dwell.
August 23, 2011 at 4:20 PM
WOW… I’m just getting into the String Theory, 10/11 Dimensions etc. I will admit that i have a hard time trying to articulate my thaughts and what i belive to be these concepts. I think humans as a whole will fail to explain these theories and concepts.
Firstly, trying to “Show” a fellow human being a concept of this magnatude is impossible, because by default we see with our eyes. An organ desinged on a primitave level to keep us from walking off cliffs etc…
Secondly, i think our conscieness, once stripped of our biological egos (and other survival mechanisms)can comprehend what we “feel” but cannot substantiate in this “dimension”. I geuss this is where faith comes into play… And i’m not talking about Islam or Christianity…
But, just knowing…
And i believe we are far from developing the bio senses needed to actual percieve these Dimensions.
Here is a question… What dimension(s) do “You” exist during Astral projection?
Because i cant watch the video at work i will go home and watch it. I know… I’m doing this bassackwards!